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SAITEK-X65F -Efeito do Logitech G-940

Posted: 20 Jun 2009 14:58
by 21_Sokol1
Postado no Forum da Saitek por um admin:
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We see nothing wrong with people discussing the competition provided it doesn't descend into vitriol.

Yes, we strongly suspected something like the G940 was coming and yes, we do have something in answer to it. However, right now all I can tell you is that it's going to be probably the most realistic controller ever released for home simming.

More than that I can't say right now but I'm hoping to have something to show people later in the Summer.
Parece que vai sair o solicitado X-52 Force Feedback, que segundo o cara sera o controle mais realistico ja lançado para simulação...

Believe it or not!

Sokol1

Posted: 21 Jun 2009 15:07
by MaGOid
Enquanto a Saitek continuar lançando os controles da X-wing do Luke Skywalker ela não estará fazendo nada realista. Não para mim. O controle da Logitech não é replica de nada, mas é o tipo de controle que não me deixará com vergonha de ter em cima do meu desktop.

Posted: 30 Jun 2009 23:12
by 21_Sokol1
Embora não esteja confirmado oficialmente, na China foram mostradas fotos do novo Saitek X-65F.

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Assim como nos X-Wing, ops -52 :D o throttle é a central do conjunto, e podera receber modulos adicionais.

Graças aos deuses dos joysticks os projetistas esqueceram aquela bobagem de nave espacial e transformers trazendo um desenho mais "militar" - inspirado no HOTAS do F-22 (O Cross deve discordar :-D ).

O acelerador, a exemplo do G-940 é duplo, e é HOTAS todo de metal. O F parece indicar Force Feedback, já que não se vê a tradicional mola Saitek em volta do eixo.

BTW-Duvido que pelo preço estimado, 5000 Yuan encontre mercado...

Babelfish de uma página chinesa:
The pure metal strength back coupling X65F rocking bar estimated that in December goes on the market Post the By:2009-6-29 17:49: 03

It is estimated that in December issues the pure metal strength back coupling X65F flight controller.
The X65F flight controller has used the entire Hall's magnetic induction potentiometer, is in the flight rocking bar top product, the rocking bar and the throttle valve simultaneously has the unique strength induction to install the system as well as the double throttle valve control, may edit 608 pressed keys, is throughout history the function most PC flight rocking bar. All metallic construction is the authenticity and durable ultimate realizes the way. The unique strength induction rocking bar, all input signal is decided completely by you the strength which exerts to the rocking bar, or the F - 22 fighter aircrafts is the same on likelihood F - 16. The rocking bar has the strength induction characteristic lies in: He will adjust and demonstrates each direction separately through the rocking bar induction installment the displacement. May also aim at the XY axis different direction the different dynamics careful adjustment. Simultaneously increased the extension expansion design, for instance may join the match titanium guest's aircraft instrument.
This model of product estimate selling price about 5000 Yuan.

Explains the inside several special places:
1st, first this time strength back coupling is induces the mechanism, is higher than the former strength back coupling far. For instance accelerator, if you used the mouse to move in game's accelerator, then on your X65F accelerator along with will also move, he was the interaction. Is also the so-called linkage. This is in the present flight controller's origination.

2nd, some people ask my this dynamics to be able not to adapt very greatly. I said like this to you that he is the strength back coupling, therefore dynamics is completely defines. You may let his spot not have dynamics, may also let he very great dynamics. Moreover he also changed the former strength back coupling size adjustment is the adjustment unified size. But this time is you may aim at all around four direction establishment different dynamics, before for instance the establishment, pushes 10 dynamics, latter pulls 15 dynamics, left pressure 8 dynamics, right pressure 10 dynamics. Moreover you may also establish three sets of such dynamics to save in advance, when momentarily you replace the airplane, you thought when needs to trade one kind of other dynamics, so long as moves the knob switch then.

3rd, this funds' product has provided rich external connection matching, may product mixes and so on aircraft instrument which goes on the market with the present match titanium guest, and provided has matched the support related.

Why actually does the match titanium guest leave the metal the product, actually the match titanium guest had already replaced the product mentality, is similar to the commercial aviation pole is the same, match titanium guest this model of product for the ultimate product, the match titanium guest hoped that the user can unfailing use it, is not uses several years to trade other equipment, but is hopes you through the unceasing promotion perfect equipment. That is the match titanium guest in its peripheral many equipment, will be similar to the commercial aviation equipment is the same, measuring appliance, flight kneading board and so on, will realize a hypothesized cabin's environment finally. About face buys a new equipment, old equipment on useless aspect.
Tchii, o negocio envolve espionagem industrial: diz ai que o G940 foi desenvolvido em 2008 para a Saitek, só que alguem saiu de lá e vendeu a ideia para a Logitech, então a Saitek teve que caprichar na resposta:

Saitek X65F all-metal force feedback joystick in December listing
Logitech for some time before the G940 flight controller announced. This matter was later learned that this talent, this is 2008 designers Saitek products in 2009 is expected to be the product - code-named the top-rocker X65F. Logitech switch and designers, but also to steal the design to the Logitech. In fact, we observed G940 their system will know that the continuation of a lot of Saitek products style. We can not say, and at the same time despise this designer.
Saitek quit immediately after the designer of new products has accelerated the R & D, at the same time through legal means to protect their interests. Before has been as a result of the general idea of the whole idea of saving time argument directly in the original design have been drastic changes, and adjust the positioning of the product to maintain Saitek Flight Simulator on the status of the king. And is expected to release in December all-metal flying X65F force feedback controller.

X65F flight controller using a full potential Hall of magnetic induction, and is a rocker in the top flight products, rocker and throttle at the same time the power of unique sensors and dual throttle valve system mounted control button 608 to edit is a function of the largest-ever flight rocker PC. All-metal structure is the authenticity and durability to achieve the ultimate way. Rocker unique strength of induction, all of the input signal is entirely up to you to exert force on the rocker, just like the real F - 16 or F - 22 fighter jets like. Rocker has the characteristics of the power of induction is: He will be the sensor device through the rocker adjustment and display, respectively, the displacement in each direction. XY-axis can also be different for different directions of the detailed regulation efforts. At the same time, an increase of the extensive expansion of the design, for example, can be added to the Saitek Flight Instrument.
The estimated price of this product will be about 5,000. The following picture for the sample, listed in December, it was perhaps in some of the details will be amended.
Sokol1

Posted: 30 Jun 2009 23:38
by 31_CrossBones
:skull:

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Gostei mais desse aí :D

SP!

Posted: 02 Jul 2009 22:36
by MaGOid
Agora sim eu posso considerar a compra de um Saitek. Se o botão de polegar no manche for um HAT com botão central, então ele já ganhou a minha preferência.

Posted: 02 Jul 2009 22:40
by MaGOid
pelo conversor do Google, são 730 DOLARES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aí *udeu. Sem chance. Pode ser o melhor manche do mundo, mas as vendas serão uma fração do modelo da Logitech.

Posted: 02 Jul 2009 23:36
by 21_Sokol1
Se o botão de polegar no manche for um HAT com botão central
O botão central parece ser um mini-stick com click (tipo "analógico de PS2").

No G940 o "china" HAT é um mini-stick. Extraido do G940 feito pelo Jay Hall:

Using the micro-stick with my thumb allowed me to emulate mouse look and seemed to work as well as a Track IR. I had no trouble looking around properly in a full real environment.

Pode ir juntando os Yuans. :-D

Sokol1

Posted: 02 Jul 2009 23:45
by 03_Vingador
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Se for duravel igual o FF2 sera uma boa ;)

SP!

Posted: 15 Jul 2009 01:01
by 21_Sokol1
Dia 10 saiu uma nova versão dos drives da Saitek, um cara do Escuadron69 foi baixar e disse que na pagina de escolha de drivers já listava o X65.
Conferi agora e não vi nada... :?

FAKE!

Esta igual as fotos que sumiram das páginas chinesas.

Sokol1

Posted: 26 Jul 2009 23:13
by PHANTHOMAZ
GOSTEI EU QUERO UM, EU PRECISO DISSO! :-D

Posted: 07 Aug 2009 17:31
by acme313
PHANTHOMAZ wrote:GOSTEI EU QUERO UM, EU PRECISO DISSO! :-D
VOÇÊ QUER UM? COMPRA!! :-P

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 13:02
by 21_Sokol1
Quando o inverno chegar...


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http://www.saitek.com/force/

Voce vai sentir a Força. :-P

Mmm, esse negócio de sentir força de joystick é coisa dos Pinks...

Sokol1

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 14:10
by Furias
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É uma das raras ocasiões em que lamento ser canhoto :cry:

SP!

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 14:31
by 21_Sokol1
Furias,

Esse sujeito ai "entorta" HOTAS da CH para canhotos:

http://snomhf.exofire.net/leftyHOTASdevelopment.html

Sokol1

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 14:40
by MaGOid
Aparentemente a renderização corresponde ao modelo do link. Vamos ver se o Saitek vai conseguir desbancar o modelo da Logitech.